I think with the Tiv0 Premiere coming out, we will see many deals like this for the Series 3, Tiv0 HD, and Tiv0 HD XL. I would just buy the Premiere and have the latest Tiv0.
Tiv0 Premiere is going to be $499 in April for the equivalant model. I want one too. But for 175 this is an awesome deal. Meanwhile I'll let others work out the bugs in the new Tiv0 Premiere. Also the new remote for the Premier will be a must have...but it's months away from release.
One of the issues with this TiVo vs the HD is that it has to use two cable cards no matter what for dual tuner recordings....even if you use an M card. It's too bad since that bumps up your cable bill a few bucks more than it needs to be.
Lunateric
New Member
posted: Mar. 10, 2010 @ 7:56a
Not true on the 2 cable cards at least with Verizon. I have one of these with a single verizon fios M-Card and have no problem with the dual tuner operation or recording.
MrHat7 said: Tiv0 Premiere is going to be $499 in April for the equivalant model. I want one too. But for 175 this is an awesome deal. Meanwhile I'll let others work out the bugs in the new Tiv0 Premiere. Also the new remote for the Premier will be a must have...but it's months away from release.
Not exactly $499. The higher-end Premiere model will be $499, true, but even the lower-end model will have more storage than this unit.
Lunateric said: Not true on the 2 cable cards at least with Verizon. I have one of these with a single verizon fios M-Card and have no problem with the dual tuner operation or recording. You must have a TiVo HD, not a Series 3. The Series 3 does not support M cards and isn't likely to ever be updated to be able to.
Crank, what's so special about M cards, 1080p? Would I be able to tell the diff between 1080i and 1080p on my 50" plasma? It's hard for me to shell out $500 or even $400 for TiVo service. Maybe $300 if it includes lifetime subscription.
qube said: One of the issues with this TiVo vs the HD is that it has to use two cable cards no matter what for dual tuner recordings....even if you use an M card. It's too bad since that bumps up your cable bill a few bucks more than it needs to be.
You mean TiVo Series 3 right? 'coz I know TiVo HD supports single M-card to do the dual tuner duties. But I am starting to hate TiVo for not doing much despite being the inventors of DVR (They were first to market).. and their 3/2 announcement was only a lame premiere box which they touted as "Inventing DVR was only a warmup"... my a$$... that's what happens with Patents.. people stop innovating and start becoming lazy and evil.
dg12345 said: Crank, what's so special about M cards, 1080p? Would I be able to tell the diff between 1080i and 1080p on my 50" plasma? It's hard for me to shell out $500 or even $400 for TiVo service. Maybe $300 if it includes lifetime subscription.
M = Multiple streams - i.e. record one show watch another (dual tuner).
Ah, very nice of TiVo to destroy the Series 3 resale market right before the launch of the new unit. First they screw me by not making my $899 Series 3 upgradeable to the new platform, and now they screw me again by lowering what I'll get if I sell my S3. Just another reason not to bother buying the Premiere.
scoobydooby said: Ah, very nice of TiVo to destroy the Series 3 resale market right before the launch of the new unit. First they screw me by not making my $899 Series 3 upgradeable to the new platform, and now they screw me again by lowering what I'll get if I sell my S3. Just another reason not to bother buying the Premiere.
Thanks anyway OP - a very hot deal.
What happens when any company releases an updated product? It's the nature of the resale market, not the company itself. You should have sold a couple months ago when the rumors were out there, not now after it's been released. Your fault not theirs...
molar
Member
posted: Mar. 10, 2010 @ 9:39a
Is the New premiere's hard drive upgradeable? If not, in 4 one
SafetyDance said: scoobydooby said: Ah, very nice of TiVo to destroy the Series 3 resale market right before the launch of the new unit. First they screw me by not making my $899 Series 3 upgradeable to the new platform, and now they screw me again by lowering what I'll get if I sell my S3. Just another reason not to bother buying the Premiere.
Thanks anyway OP - a very hot deal.
What happens when any company releases an updated product? It's the nature of the resale market, not the company itself. You should have sold a couple months ago when the rumors were out there, not now after it's been released. Your fault not theirs...
You are absolutely correct - but that doesn't stop me from ranting about it and receiving a childish red, does it
Look - the S3 is still a great unit, and I was contemplating the Premier, assuming my S3 could sell for a decent price.
I'm a Time Warner customer, our cable boxes through them are absolutely atrocious. Could I use this box with Time Warner? It looks like I'd need a couple cable card, right?
How does this box receive it's programming guide? It appears to have ethernet jack, does it do wireless as well, or could I buy an adapter to make that work?
dg12345 said: Crank, what's so special about M cards, 1080p? Would I be able to tell the diff between 1080i and 1080p on my 50" plasma? It's hard for me to shell out $500 or even $400 for TiVo service. Maybe $300 if it includes lifetime subscription. I don't think 1080p should be a big selling point - maybe you'll be able to see a difference, but most people can't. A single M card allows both of the TiVo's tuners to tune scrambled cable channels. The S3 has to use one card per tuner. Not a huge deal, but you'll have to rent two cable cards from your cable company instead of one. Fees for cards vary, but they're usually in the $1 to $5 per month range.
This is a good deal for anyone who wants the S3 hardware - it's probably the nicest looking box TiVo has ever built, but the new Premier has a faster processor, and will obviously be the platform moving forward. I wouldn't expect the S3 or TiVoHD to get any software updates, other than bug fixes, in the future.
polkmaniac said: I'm a Time Warner customer, our cable boxes through them are absolutely atrocious. Could I use this box with Time Warner? It looks like I'd need a couple cable card, right?
How does this box receive it's programming guide? It appears to have ethernet jack, does it do wireless as well, or could I buy an adapter to make that work?
Time Warner (I'm a customer too) uses Switched Digital Video in most of their markets. This means you have to get a Tuning Adapter in addition to a cable card. Some people have a smooth installation and have no issues aside from having an extra box in the stack of components. Many (myself included) have occasional problems with the TiVo and the Adapter losing communication, resulting in not being able to tune some or all of your cable channels. It's really frustrating, but as you note, the Time Warner DVR is worse.
I would strongly suggest anybody who can pull in stations with an antenna do so - that way you'll have better PQ and a rock-solid feed for all your network programming (probably 75% of what we watch). You can check websites like AntennaWebto see what type of antenna you would need to pull in OTA stations in your area.
Oh, and you can get guide data through a telephone line or a wired ethernet connection. There is a TiVo wireless adapter available that works pretty well (there's a new 802.11n adapter coming out soon,) or you can use a wireless bridge. An internet connection is required for anything beyond guide data - youtube, Netflix, etc.
MyJunkAccount
Member
posted: Mar. 10, 2010 @ 10:30a
Sorry I am new to this DVR business, does this requires subscription?
MyJunkAccount said: Sorry I am new to this DVR business, does this requires subscription? Yes, I believe the current rates are $12.95/month, or $399 for product lifetime service. There may be a few other options available to you on TiVo's website.
Ive got a Comcast DVR right now where i pay $15 a month. IF i get this TiVo box, do i still need a standard comcast HD box, or will this completely replace my Comcast box? Also, do i need to pay for a TiVo subscription (if so, how much roughly)?
jizzoe said: Im sort of a TiVo newb, so bare with me =p
Ive got a Comcast DVR right now where i pay $15 a month. IF i get this TiVo box, do i still need a standard comcast HD box, or will this completely replace my Comcast box? Also, do i need to pay for a TiVo subscription (if so, how much roughly)?
Thanks!
Joe This will replace your cable box. See the post above yours for pricing info.
wpgabriel
Frivolous Member
posted: Mar. 10, 2010 @ 10:45a
jizzoe said: Im sort of a TiVo newb, so bare with me =p
Ive got a Comcast DVR right now where i pay $15 a month. IF i get this TiVo box, do i still need a standard comcast HD box, or will this completely replace my Comcast box? Also, do i need to pay for a TiVo subscription (if so, how much roughly)?
Thanks!
Joe
You can get rid of your comcast cable box, but there are advantages and disadvantages to doing this, so ultimately it's up to you.
Advantages: Through Comcast, cable cards are $3/month (it may vary depending on your exact franchise), and the first is usually free. You will get to fully utilize the dual-tuner capabilities of the TiVo if you get cable cards (1 M or 2 S), whereas if you use your HD box with your TiVo, you can only use one tuner. So if you ditch the comcast box and get an M-card, you can save >$10 / month. Oh, and believe me, the TiVo software is at least one order of magnitude better than anything Comcast has put out (I have three Tivos at home and one Comcast box).
Disadvantages: If you get rid of your Comcast HD Box, you'll lose access to On-Demand Programming (that's why I kept one at home).
It has already been mentioned, but there is a subscription fee for TiVo ($13/month), but I have never done that. I always buy the product lifetime service ($400 for the first device then $300 for any others you buy from TiVo) and just factor that into the cost of the hardware. If you must pay TiVo the monthly rate, then you will not be saving any money, and assuming you can do away with On-Demand, your TV viewing experience will be much better.
jake76
Member
posted: Mar. 10, 2010 @ 10:54a
yes you pay for the TiVo service which I think is around 10 - 15 bucks a month.
I like to record the shows from the over the air channels (from HD channels). I do not have cable. I read lot about TiVo but never got clear idea about it! What are my options?. Thanks in advance.
fogler said: I like to record the shows from the over the air channels (from HD channels). I do not have cable. I read lot about TiVo but never got clear idea about it! What are my options?. Thanks in advance. All of the High Definition TiVo models have great OTA tuners. All the features will work the same, but you will still need to pay for TiVo service, and you will still need to connect the TiVo to a phone line or network. If you can connect to a network you'll be able to watch movies and TV shows from Amazon, Netflix and Blockbuster on your TiVo.
BigDaddyCool
Member
posted: Mar. 10, 2010 @ 11:18a
To make it clear because there is some misinformation in this thread. The Series 3 boxes (which this one is) has two slots and requires 2 (two) cable cards if you want to utilize both tuners. They can be S or M, but you will only utilize one tuner on each of the M cards if that's what your provider supplies you with.
Jeffla
Member
posted: Mar. 10, 2010 @ 11:23a
Comcast in the Minneapolis, MN area provides all cablecards for free. Guess I'm lucky I don't have to pay for mine. I also wouldn't be willing to pay for them actually. I'm on the verge of ditching cable anyways.
Jeffla
Member
posted: Mar. 10, 2010 @ 11:29a
fogler said: I like to record the shows from the over the air channels (from HD channels). I do not have cable. I read lot about TiVo but never got clear idea about it! What are my options?. Thanks in advance.
We usualy don't have cable, so OTA is typical for us. For that reason, we fell in love with TiVo. It has a built in OTA HD tuner and at least on the HD model, can record 2 shows at once while watching a 3rd show (prior recording).
People always tell me there is nothing to watch from free tv, and I think to myself, maybe, unless you have a little box recording crap 24hrs a day, finding anything it thinks you might like and recording it just in case. We find with OTA we have too much stuff available on the TiVo box. 90% of what we watch is from the free tv stations, we just generally are not around to watch it live.
Jeffla said: fogler said: I like to record the shows from the over the air channels (from HD channels). I do not have cable. I read lot about TiVo but never got clear idea about it! What are my options?. Thanks in advance.
We usualy don't have cable, so OTA is typical for us. For that reason, we fell in love with TiVo. It has a built in OTA HD tuner and at least on the HD model, can record 2 shows at once while watching a 3rd show (prior recording).
People always tell me there is nothing to watch from free tv, and I think to myself, maybe, unless you have a little box recording crap 24hrs a day, finding anything it thinks you might like and recording it just in case. We find with OTA we have too much stuff available on the TiVo box. 90% of what we watch is from the free tv stations, we just generally are not around to watch it live.so there's a lot of talk on this thread about 2 cable cards. i'm just concerned about OTA as well. does this unit record 2 shows simultaneously without 2 cards? will i need to hook up 2 antennaes to the box?
vgachi57 said: Jeffla said: fogler said: I like to record the shows from the over the air channels (from HD channels). I do not have cable. I read lot about TiVo but never got clear idea about it! What are my options?. Thanks in advance.
We usualy don't have cable, so OTA is typical for us. For that reason, we fell in love with TiVo. It has a built in OTA HD tuner and at least on the HD model, can record 2 shows at once while watching a 3rd show (prior recording).
People always tell me there is nothing to watch from free tv, and I think to myself, maybe, unless you have a little box recording crap 24hrs a day, finding anything it thinks you might like and recording it just in case. We find with OTA we have too much stuff available on the TiVo box. 90% of what we watch is from the free tv stations, we just generally are not around to watch it live.so there's a lot of talk on this thread about 2 cable cards. i'm just concerned about OTA as well. does this unit record 2 shows simultaneously without 2 cards? will i need to hook up 2 antennaes to the box?
You can record 2 OTA shows simultaneously, and only need one antenna connected to the box. While recording 2 shows you can watch a pre-recorded show at the same time.
Sorry for the dumb question. I want to record only OTA shows. I do not need Netflix or video on demand. Still I need to pay for TiVo subscription?. So far only way I know is recording on computer with usb tv tuner but the reviews for the usb tuners are not that good.
fogler said: Sorry for the dumb question. I want to record only OTA shows. I do not need Netflix or video on demand. Still I need to pay for TiVo subscription?. So far only way I know is recording on computer with usb tv tuner but the reviews for the usb tuners are not that good. Yep, the TiVo is essentially a doorstop without a paid subscription.
fogler said: Sorry for the dumb question. I want to record only OTA shows. I do not need Netflix or video on demand. Still I need to pay for TiVo subscription?. So far only way I know is recording on computer with usb tv tuner but the reviews for the usb tuners are not that good.
A long, long time ago, Toshiba had a DVD/TiVo that came with a "basic" subscription. It allowed for one week scheduling, and no season passes (if I am not mistaken). Sadly, the current generation TiVo units are useless without a subscription.
Lea707
New Member
posted: Mar. 10, 2010 @ 2:19p
I think this Deal may mean time to get rid of my horrible Charter DVR. Does anyone know of TiVo Charter issues before i get it???
Lea707 said: I think this Deal may mean time to get rid of my horrible Charter DVR. Does anyone know of TiVo Charter issues before i get it??? You can check the TiVoCommunity Forums to see if there are any particular issues. Charter uses Switched Digital Video in many of its markets, so you will want to read about the tuning adapter issues people have had before you decide. When I was a Charter customer the MOXI DVR they offered worked well enough that I used it rather than buy a HD TiVo. If Time Warner offered something similar I probably would have stayed with the cable DVR. That being said, I'm glad I have my TiVo's, now that the install issues are behind me.
Edited to add: This is a good deal if you want the S3 hardware, but if I were in your shoes, I think I'd pay the extra $125 and get the TiVo Premier. I haven't read any first hand accounts of people using the DVR, but the faster processor and HD menus would be worth it to me, not to mention the fact that you'll be buying new hardware that will very likely get new features that none of the older TiVo's will have access to.
Crank said: vgachi57 said: Jeffla said: fogler said: I like to record the shows from the over the air channels (from HD channels). I do not have cable. I read lot about TiVo but never got clear idea about it! What are my options?. Thanks in advance.
We usualy don't have cable, so OTA is typical for us. For that reason, we fell in love with TiVo. It has a built in OTA HD tuner and at least on the HD model, can record 2 shows at once while watching a 3rd show (prior recording).
People always tell me there is nothing to watch from free tv, and I think to myself, maybe, unless you have a little box recording crap 24hrs a day, finding anything it thinks you might like and recording it just in case. We find with OTA we have too much stuff available on the TiVo box. 90% of what we watch is from the free tv stations, we just generally are not around to watch it live.so there's a lot of talk on this thread about 2 cable cards. i'm just concerned about OTA as well. does this unit record 2 shows simultaneously without 2 cards? will i need to hook up 2 antennaes to the box?
You can record 2 OTA shows simultaneously, and only need one antenna connected to the box. While recording 2 shows you can watch a pre-recorded show at the same time.
To finish answering vgachi57's question completely, no you do not need any cable cards to record from OTA sources. Those are only used to decode the cable company's encrypted signal.
Beware TiVo refurbs. I bought two TiVo HD refurbs direct from TiVo. They both required replacement - one had a failing hard disk and the other would regularly crash in the middle of recording. Of the two replacements I got one is hokey in that on certain digital channels it gets a ton of errors (I've recorded the same show on both, and the 'bad' one is practically unwatchable, the good one is picture perfect.) I'm not going to bother returning it just because 3-4 channels don't work right since the other one covers those channels OK. But I won't be renewing my subscription either, the user interface is sucktacular if you want to do anything sophisticated. I intend to hack it and slave it to my mythtv setup instead since its really the only way to get unencrypted recordings of scrambled channels.
I agree with what Crank just said about getting an antenna. I was on TWC and dropped them in favor of an attic antenna. I am loving it! I should have done it a long time ago. I am so glad to be out from under those goons.
stevevt said: Series 2 = standard definition. Let's assume that JerryW was talking about copying HD files, which are around 9 times the size of standard def files. 15 minutes x 9 = 2.25 hours. So congratulations, your transfer speed is around the same as JerryW's. (And mine.)Duh! Didn't think about that since I'm still in an SD world ... what's HD?
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