a-max said: I wonder if this is speedy enough to keep up with AVCHD coming in at 17mbps...? Yes, class4 is minimum requirement, at least for Canon HF10 with 17Mbps.
Roy2001 said: a-max said: I wonder if this is speedy enough to keep up with AVCHD coming in at 17mbps...? Yes, class4 is minimum requirement, at least for Canon HF10 with 17Mbps.
I have a class 4 card with a Canon HF10 running at the highest rez and the card (not this one specifically but a class 4 nonetheless) and have had absolutely NO issues whatsoever....great deal!
Thanks, bought one. Will return the 2 pack of 8gb SanDisk for $35. Would rather have all 16gb in one card rather than have to switch out 2 8gb cards, even though they were a better brand. Good deal OP, thanks.
Excuse my ignorance, but will this work with a Zi8 or is it too slow to record 1080p? Also, does anyone know how much length of video can be recorded on a card this size? Wondering if I will need multiple. Thank you!
edit: Would I be better off with one (or more) of these?
I was about to bite in but then I realized that : a) This deal has been active for 2 days and Amaz0n still has the loads in stock (try to add 100 to cart) and they hasn't still raised the price; b) HP is not really in solid state media business so it's probably one of those no-name brand cards with high failure rate.
I'd wait for another Lexar Platinum or Kingston deal
green14 said: Excuse my ignorance, but will this work with a Zi8 or is it too slow to record 1080p? Also, does anyone know how much length of video can be recorded on a card this size? Wondering if I will need multiple. Thank you!
edit: Would I be better off with one (or more) of these?
Kinnda apples and oranges...typically micro sdhc cards can be a little more expensive and their application tend toward mobile electronics ie phones and such. This 4 gig micro would work fine with the adapter for you, but you are only getting 4 gig for 10 bux vs. 16 gig for under $30. I have one of these cards as well as 16 gig Lexar and Kingstons. All of them perform perfect in my Canon HFS100 at full 1080p AVCHD codec recording.
Is anyone else like me? I have several of these micro adapters laying around and I am always tryin to figure out if they have a card in them or not??
CaptainCoptic said: Thanks, bought one. Will return the 2 pack of 8gb SanDisk for $35. Would rather have all 16gb in one card rather than have to switch out 2 8gb cards, even though they were a better brand. Good deal OP, thanks.
I like having the smaller cards, that way if something goes wrong , card gets corrupt camera falls in the river I will still have some photos.
isamerican said: CaptainCoptic said: Thanks, bought one. Will return the 2 pack of 8gb SanDisk for $35. Would rather have all 16gb in one card rather than have to switch out 2 8gb cards, even though they were a better brand. Good deal OP, thanks.
I like having the smaller cards, that way if something goes wrong , card gets corrupt camera falls in the river I will still have some photos.
I've been using SD cards for years and have never had a corruption problem. How common is that? If you're constantly popping small cards in and out of your camera, I think losing one is more likely.
sleepybubba said: I was about to bite in but then I realized that : a) This deal has been active for 2 days and Amaz0n still has the loads in stock (try to add 100 to cart) and they hasn't still raised the price; b) HP is not really in solid state media business so it's probably one of those no-name brand cards with high failure rate.
I'd wait for another Lexar Platinum or Kingston deal
Does Amazon check inventory when you add to cart or when you check out?
johnny98 said: isamerican said: CaptainCoptic said: Thanks, bought one. Will return the 2 pack of 8gb SanDisk for $35. Would rather have all 16gb in one card rather than have to switch out 2 8gb cards, even though they were a better brand. Good deal OP, thanks.
I like having the smaller cards, that way if something goes wrong , card gets corrupt camera falls in the river I will still have some photos.
I've been using SD cards for years and have never had a corruption problem. How common is that? If you're constantly popping small cards in and out of your camera, I think losing one is more likely.
Most problems with all flash media is user caused. (not all but most) acidental formating or delting is easy to correct with several file recovery programs. We have over 40 4gig-16 gig CF cards and have never lost data in over 10 years of use to a faulty card. We do replace them every 2 years of hard use.
A 16 gig card is really not meant for a point & shoot camera. Who really needs 8,000 images on a card at a time. This is meant more for the video person or a dslr shooter who captures much larger raws files. For my wifes little camera 2 gig is plenty...for an HD camcordr 16 is ok but 32 is the sweet spot for me
Picked one up. Actually impressed with the write speed for a class 4 card - performs well above the min class 4 standards. Ran H2testw and the results were comparable to a 4GB Sandisk Extreme III card that I have had for a couple years.
Test finished without errors. You can now delete the test files *.h2w or verify them again. Writing speed: 13.2 MByte/s Reading speed: 16.3 MByte/s H2testw v1.4
Only drawback is the 1 year warranty. I have only ever had an issue with 1 card and needed a warranty exchange but I like the idea of the lifetime warranty that is offered by Sandisk/Kingston/Transcend.
getafix said: Has anyone had success recording 15 min HD clips on a Panasonic ZS3 using any reputed-brand Class 4 card?
Reason i ask - there are a lot of Class 6 cards which perform worse than some of the Class 4 cards.
Link? Source? The class number refers to the write MB/s, class 4 is 4MB/s write and so on. I haven't yet seen a card that doesn't meet that requirement almost exactly. The reads are substantially higher. I'd be interested in hearing if you've run into non-compliant cards...
sleepybubba said: b) HP is not really in solid state media business so it's probably one of those no-name brand cards with high failure rate.
I'd wait for another Lexar Platinum or Kingston deal Just curious...do you do priceless wedding photography (using one SD card) or something? Just curious why you are terrified of HP brand SD cards. I'd trust them plently.
Now If I was a wedding photographer or something, I would certainly have a dual SD SLR with *very expensive* and *very high quality* media.
At $27, this is perfect for vacations and other knock-around video / photos. Especially when you put on your laptop several times a day.
I didn't say that Class 4 cards didn't meet the minimum compliance spec.
My Sandisk 16gb Ultra SDHC (marked as Class 4) gives better read/write (12MB/s) than my friends Transcend 16gb SDHC Class 6 (11MB/s), when benchmarked on the same reader/hardware.
glenatuf said: getafix said: Has anyone had success recording 15 min HD clips on a Panasonic ZS3 using any reputed-brand Class 4 card?
Reason i ask - there are a lot of Class 6 cards which perform worse than some of the Class 4 cards.
Link? Source? The class number refers to the write MB/s, class 4 is 4MB/s write and so on. I haven't yet seen a card that doesn't meet that requirement almost exactly. The reads are substantially higher. I'd be interested in hearing if you've run into non-compliant cards...
I didn't say it's a bad bet. Considering the price/size ratio the deal is fine can I simply stated my own opinion. I hate slow and unreliable cards and I went through plenty of those.
As for the question regarding Amazon checking stock when you add to card: Yes this is when they actualy do check the stock. From what I've learned, their system is near real-time, so there is a slight chance for their website to state they have an item in-stock, but when you add it to your cart. coolbreeze said: sleepybubba said: b) HP is not really in solid state media business so it's probably one of those no-name brand cards with high failure rate.
I'd wait for another Lexar Platinum or Kingston deal Just curious...do you do priceless wedding photography (using one SD card) or something? Just curious why you are terrified of HP brand SD cards. I'd trust them plently.
Now If I was a wedding photographer or something, I would certainly have a dual SD SLR with *very expensive* and *very high quality* media.
At $27, this is perfect for vacations and other knock-around video / photos. Especially when you put on your laptop several times a day.
getafix said: Has anyone had success recording 15 min HD clips on a Panasonic ZS3 using any reputed-brand Class 4 card?
Reason i ask - there are a lot of Class 6 cards which perform worse than some of the Class 4 cards.
*bump* for this question...
I am thinking of buying a Lumix TS1 P&S and wondering if I really need a Class 6 or 10 card to be able to record unlimited length AVCHD clips at will (besides limitations of battery length). It is a question of whether the buffer is big enough and the card fast enough. I've searched and searched and been unable to find an experienced hands-on answer for this question with the Lumix TS1.
prolyfik said: getafix said: Has anyone had success recording 15 min HD clips on a Panasonic ZS3 using any reputed-brand Class 4 card?
Reason i ask - there are a lot of Class 6 cards which perform worse than some of the Class 4 cards.
*bump* for this question...
I am thinking of buying a Lumix TS1 P&S and wondering if I really need a Class 6 or 10 card to be able to record unlimited length AVCHD clips at will (besides limitations of battery length). It is a question of whether the buffer is big enough and the card fast enough. I've searched and searched and been unable to find an experienced hands-on answer for this question with the Lumix TS1.
I got this HP card for use in a TS1 and it shows about 2 hrs of recording time in 720p AVCHD Lite, super-high quality mode. I've recorded a few 1 minute videos for testing and it seems to keep up fine.
thanks collinong, but that doesn't quite answer the question I've posed. The amount of recording time is based on the amount of memory available on the card - but doesn't mean that the speed of the card is fast enough to record that length in one continuous clip (assuming the battery would last). Also, recording a 1 minute video might be ok given the speed and size of the buffer, but the camera/card combination may fail to record quickly enough for clips of, say, 10, 15 or 20 minutes.
So, the question still stands, what is the longest single AVCHD clip people have recorded at one go using a class 4 or class 6 card? (Please mention card speed and brand because cards may differ.)
prolyfik said: thanks collinong, but that doesn't quite answer the question I've posed. The amount of recording time is based on the amount of memory available on the card - but doesn't mean that the speed of the card is fast enough to record that length in one continuous clip (assuming the battery would last). Also, recording a 1 minute video might be ok given the speed and size of the buffer, but the camera/card combination may fail to record quickly enough for clips of, say, 10, 15 or 20 minutes.
So, the question still stands, what is the longest single AVCHD clip people have recorded at one go using a class 4 or class 6 card? (Please mention card speed and brand because cards may differ.)Problem is, your answer doesn't really go anywhere. It's based on the speculative (and frankly false) assumption that there's any meaningful delay between the video capture and the actual recording of data caused by the speed of the flash media. The only significant factor here is the hardware, while you are guessing that somehow the hardware will wait for an increasing bottleneck to lay down into the flash memory.
a-max - I think the basis of my question is pretty straighforward and easy to answer for those who have the hardware in hand. I would like to know what is the longest (or how long a) continuous clip someone can record using the TS1 and a given card (specified by brand, model and speed). And I am trying to ascertain whether anyone has a specific brand class 4 or class 6 card that is able to record a long continuous clip. It's a simple question.
For example, I can say that with a TS1 and Extreme III 32GB SDHC I have recorded close to 30 minutes in AVCHD as a single clip. The recording could have gone longer but the subject being recorded finished.
I would like to know whether I could use a different (cheaper) card to do something similar. I guarantee that there are slower cards that are only able to record up to a few minutes before automatically stopping. I am trying to avoid those cards and so am asking the experience of other users.
prolyfik said: a-max - I think the basis of my question is pretty straighforward and easy to answer for those who have the hardware in hand. I would like to know what is the longest (or how long a) continuous clip someone can record using the TS1 and a given card (specified by brand, model and speed). And I am trying to ascertain whether anyone has a specific brand class 4 or class 6 card that is able to record a long continuous clip. It's a simple question.
For example, I can say that with a TS1 and Extreme III 32GB SDHC I have recorded close to 30 minutes in AVCHD as a single clip. The recording could have gone longer but the subject being recorded finished.
I would like to know whether I could use a different (cheaper) card to do something similar. I guarantee that there are slower cards that are only able to record up to a few minutes before automatically stopping. I am trying to avoid those cards and so am asking the experience of other users.You're still stuck on the flash media when that's just not the issue. Class 4 and 6 mean what they say, and even at Class 4, the logjam is not on the flash media, it's at the hardware level if at all. You are stuck on a hypothetical that's simply impossible -- after several minutes, a buffer keeps filling up because the card cannot catch up. Hardware buffers are nowhere near the size of even a fraction of a flash memory card.
What you may have actually experienced is the varying maximum lengths of video clips based on the individual piece of hardware. For example, even my prosumer Sony HD camera can only do clips in 20-minute chunks, then it moves on to the next file. Focus on that.
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